Цитата:
Первоначальное сообщение от Крошка
а можно об этом поподробнее? с цитатами?
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Простейший пример, прямо относящийся к истории Феанора..
Then again the Valar were gathered in council, and they were divided in debate. For some, and of those Ulmo was the chief, held that the Quendi should be left free to walk as they would in Middle-earth, and with their gifts of skill to order all the lands and heal their hurts. But the most part feared for the Quendi in the dangerous world amid the deceits of the starlit dusk; and they were filled
moreover with the love of the beauty of the Elves and desired their fellowship.At the last, therefore, the Valar summoned the Quendi to Valinor, there to be gathered at the knees of the Powers in the light of the Trees for ever; and Mandos broke his silence, saying: 'So it is doomed.' From this summons came many woesthat afterwards befell.
(Сильм).
За объемом не буду приводить всю историю Сокрытия Валинора из Lost Tales, где об этом прямо говорится, как об ошибке.
Вот, правда, возражение самого Толкина на это:
Even so, and on the grounds of the stories as received, it is possible to view the matter otherwise. The closing of Valinor against the rebel Noldor (who left it voluntarily and after warning) was in itself just. But, if we dare to attempt to enter the mind of the Elder King, assigning motives and finding faults,
there are things to remember before we deliver a judgement. Manwe was the spirit of greatest wisdom and prudence in Arda.
He is represented as having had the greatest knowledge of the Music, as a whole, possessed by any one finite mind; and he
alone of all persons or minds in that time is represented as having the power of direct recourse to and communication with
Eru. He must have grasped with great clarity what even we may perceive dimly: that it was the essential mode of the process of 'history' in Arda that evil should constantly arise, and that out of it new good should constantly come. One especial aspect of this is the strange way in which the evils of the Marrer, or his inheritors, are turned into weapons against evil. If we consider the situation after the escape of Morgoth and the reestablishment of his abode in Middle-earth, we shall see that the heroic Noldor were the best possible weapon with which to keep Mor goth at bay, virtually besieged, and at any rate fully occupied, on the northern fringe of Middle-earth, without provoking him to a frenzy of nihilistic destruction. And in the meanwhile, Men, or the best elements in Mankind, shaking off his shadow, came into contact with a people who had actually seen and experienced the Blessed Realm.
(Myths Transformed)
Толкин, несомненно, имеет свою собственную веру и свою собственные четкие оценки событий - но не навязывает их, хотя вполне бы мог. Он потрясающе объективен в тексте, оставляя место любой другой вере вплоть до ЧКА. Тем и велик, имхо.