[Katherine Kinn]

Первоначальное сообщение от Radio_Weiss
Так, вернемся к нашим Берендуинам.
Моя идея была такой: все, что мы видим "волшебного" в ВК, так или иначе связано в эльфийскими Кольцами. И лембас (которые если вы не знали, могла делать лишь королева либо владычица, а не просто женщина),

Матчасть - великое дело!

Of Lembas. (HoME, v.12 )

'This food the Eldar alone knew how to make. It was made for
the comfort of those who had need to go upon a long journey
in the wild, or of the hurt whose life was in peril. Only these
were permitted to use it. The Eldar did not give it to Men, save
only to a few whom they loved, if they were in great need.*
The Eldar say that they first received this food from the Valar
in the beginning of their days in the Great Journey. For it was
made of a kind of corn which Yavanna brought forth in the
fields of Aman, and some she sent to them by the hand of
Orome for their succour upon the long march.

(* This was not done out of greed or jealousy, although at no time in
Middle-earth was there great store of this food; but because the Eldar
had been commanded to keep this gift in their own power, and not to
make it common to the dwellers in mortal lands. For it is said that, if
mortals eat often of this bread, they become weary of their mortality,
desiring to abide among the Elves, and longing for the fields of Aman,
to which they cannot come.)

Since it came from Yavanna, the queen, or the highest among
the elven-women of any people, great or small, had the keeping
and gift of the lembas, for which reason she was called massanie
or besain: the Lady, or breadgiver.(1)
Now this corn had in it the strong life of Aman, which it
could impart to those who had the need and right to use the
bread. If it was sown at any season, save in frost, it soon
sprouted and grew swiftly, though it did not thrive in the
shadow of plants of Middle-earth and would not endure winds
that came out of the North while Morgoth dwelt there. Else it
needed only a little sunlight to ripen; for it took swiftly and
multiplied all the vigour of any light that fell on it.
The Eldar grew it in guarded lands and sunlit glades; and they
gathered its great golden ears, each one, by hand, and set no
blade of metal to it. The white haulm was drawn from the earth
in like manner, and woven into corn-leep (2) for the storing of the
grain: no worm or gnawing beast would touch that gleaming
straw, and rot and mould and other evils of Middle-earth did
not assail it.
From the ear to the wafer none were permitted to handle this
grain, save those elven-women who were called Yavannildi
(or by the Sindar the Ivonwin),(3) the maidens of Yavanna; and
the art of the making of the lembas, which they learned of the
Valar, was a secret among them, and so ever has remained.'
Lembas is the Sindarin name, and comes from the older form
lenn-mbass 'journey-bread'. In Quenya it was most often
named coimas which is 'life-bread'.(4)


Любая женщина, посвященная в искусство Йаванильди, могла печь лембас. А право даровать лембас принадлежало хозяйке дома. В случае Дориата - Мелиан (которая дала лембас Белегу для Турина), в случае Лориэна - Галадриэли. Кольцо тут ну совсем ни при чем.

и веревки, и перековка Нарсиля, и плащи с застежками - всё это мы видим в тесном контакте с Галадриэлью и Элрондом.

Как верно заметил Вася, в таком случае что ж плащи, веревки и мечи не посыпались прахом после уничтожения силы Колец?
Опять матчасть, Толкин же писал об этом - и письмо это тут уже цитировали. Чары эльфов совершенно другой природы, чем магия Врага.

Все, что было "до Колец" я сейчас не рассматриваю.

А почему? То, что было до Колец - никак не связано с Кольцами. Может, поэтому?

Так что, ваши аргументы неубедительны.

Только потому, что вы не дали себе труда подумать. ну, и в матчасть заглянуть. Это все ведь есть у Толкина. Он это годами конструировал.

Я сам нашел убедительный аргумент, опровергающий мою тз. Галадриэль обрушила стены Дол-Гулдура уже после уничтожения Единого Кольца.

Матчасть и немного логики - то, что надо.